FULL RP Name(s):
A:OTA RANGER TR 06 4213

Discord Username:
A: norsA

Steam ID:
A:STEAM_0:0:124359778

Workshop Link: (If applicable)
A:n/a

What is your suggestion?
A: Part 1Change Shield Back to ECHO, and make it an upgraded union, so 150hp/175Armor and the same LMG it has now, This can be a unit so that people who wanna just be a grunt can stay as a grunt but at the same time be effective in combat also remove the speed nerf while holding the LMG as this makes it so they are still mobile and + there augmented so it makes sense there only downside is there's no real specialty at all so maybe it can be like if your a union and your 05+ you can be an OTA grunt or something and then you can go to the augmented divisions or you can stay as an MPF to join MPF divisions

Part 2 Riot, now this is tricky, but they could have a riot shotgun, like automatic but like 0 range, if your more then like 10 feet, the shotgun won't do shit kinda range. But give riot a HP/Amour buff 


Part 3 RU Now you can change it into "Raider unit" 125/150 armor with insane movement speed, but only has a Sawed-off shotgun  but they cant use "I" Shop weapons, at least primaries, that would be OP but they get Climbswep 


part 4 LVET Heavy? or whatever the Shielded HVY rebels have Changed to LVET Anchor, They have 150/150 with an 200 round LMG that does 37 DMG, there LMG can have a bipod and they can be used to Hold down CQB capture points by spraying a doorway so that no one can peak it, They will work well with engineers as they can build stuff for the LVET To put his Bipod on This enables Teamwork

Part 5 EOD, keep it the same way as it is just give them +50 HP and +50 Armor
How would this benefit the server?
A: A substitution from the removed shield so that at least the divisions can stay alive and they don't get flat out removed

NOTE: NOT ALL OF THEESE HAVE TO BE ACCEPTED JUST IDEAS FOR REPLACEMENTS

Neutral, these changes are not permanent they may or may not be changed/reverted so chill out

Thats the point i said "IF"

Give eod its shield back as its just 2 players that can be on the whitelist

Why just it's a goddamn day calm down you dont have to make up stuff to put it in for the meantime that could ruin balance and wasted effort.
Another thing is lore //=// balance combine would be more powerful obviously sooooooo

For what purpose would you deny RU shop weapons?

Scav can get them
The actual dudes who use double barrels can use them
Any climbswep class can use them

I do feel like people are overreacting way too fast to this all and are too eager to put forwards any changes they have in mind.

Its temporary. (For now). doubt Sentinel or the devs would remove any classes gear permanently if they didnt have a backup idea or a semblance of how they can edit them afterwards.

My main concern that EOD's shield is no more, which we heavily rely on and gives us more "health" , so when rebels are being spawncamped we are fucked basically.

Stfu EOD is already op enough

(3 Apr 20 at 2:55pm)[DEFN] Head Janitor Wrote: Stfu EOD is already op enough

lmao they either get their shield back or an even stronger LMG to compensate for what they have lost. (I think) So I mean having a shield rather than more damage would be better smh

-1.

All suggested replacements either directly upset the meta with no mirrored balance or are infeasible for the game mode.

Suggestion one is really stupid. What is the point of making a union+ class? Every class that is currently stronger than union adds a new gameplay element that makes it different, which makes Union a base line for new players to get used to the gamemode before figuring out what class playstyle they like best. Making a stronger union class negates the point of union as a concept. The only part I really agree with is the name change, since shield kinda sucks anyway as a name. Sword aren't named shot gunner (outside of the F4 menu), ranger aren't named sniper, makes sense to have a name that cooperates with the scheme.

Suggestion two is basically turning an NPU class into a CQC offense class which not only defeats the purpose of the NPU playstyle, but is a copy of the Sword playstyle just worse in terms of effectiveness. NPU aren't really supposed to be frontline classes, hence their capture ability. This excludes Sentry, however that class is better played defensively anyway. Riot's purpose as of now is for area denial in a flank area. I would personally like to see changes that make capturing rebels more viable for NPU that aren't Jury.

Suggestion three is another unnecessary name change that also makes RU into a combination of Tech and Scav + a little bit of climbswep BS.  Plus the restrictions given don't really make sense considering as @Brand put it "Scav can get them, the actual dudes who use double barrels can use them, any climbswep class can use them". There is no real reason to turn RU into this type of class anyways. It completely changes their playstyle and adds components which are much more balanced being split between classes.

Suggestion four is just... I don't even know. Why would you take the mirror of shield and change into this if your going to make shield an upgraded union class? It defeats the servers purpose of mirrored classes for balance. If this was added, why not apply it to shield as well? This seems like a downgraded Sentry clone as well.

I don't actually have any problem with the EOD suggestion. It makes sense and would help against OSS considering without shields they kill a lot quicker. The health and armor bonus plus EOD equipment would make them significantly tankier towards their main counter. However this suggestion does nothing against their second counter: Snipers. One of the main reasons EOD has a shield is to increase their health pool, but also to make them semi sniper resistant. This allows them to get through bullshit straights like G straight or the F straight into E.

Overall, these are pretty poor replacements for class equipment and have no mirrored balance aspects to them.

~Snake

Also @Head Janitor, have you heard of OSS? There's a reason EOD exists.