RDM is against the rules, MRDM is an extension of that set to increase consequences for breaking the rules in mass.
If you look at the punishments for multiple cases of RDM with an RASR punishment for continuing to break the rules, it comes out to approximately the same 6 week ban.
It is not unfair to be punished for breaking the rules.
+1 Absolutely fix the one rule in the entire rulebook that explains MRDM which is, "Excessive crossfire of civilians is considered RDM/MRDM depending on severity.". No grey areas please, people are losing their career in CvR because of accidental MASSRDM. Even with the rule in place, it does not state that teammates killing other teammates will be banned for MassRDM. This feels like biasand hypocrisyin its own terms.
If staff can't follow their own rules, how can CvR be a place for everyone?
Rule A1.
No RDM. This includes spawnkilling, teamkilling (Including carelessly firing in a way that kills your teammates and kills made without good reason to believe that they are an SU, but excluding kills made in the context of tryouts/training), or (for example,) killing CWU/civilians/anarchists without a good reason, such as seeing them run into a no-entry zone or pull a weapon, or hearing them giving the enemy information.
Very top of the MOTD. Has been there for 3 and a half years.
(20 Feb 22 at 6:59pm)[DEFN] Aithead Wrote: It is not unfair to be punished for breaking the rules.
You are exactly correct. Just like how I publicly execute anyone breaks my Extremely fragile vases witch I place upon Extremely wobbly pilers in Extremely crowed hallways. Just because something is fair, doesn't mean it's right.
(20 Feb 22 at 7:24pm)[DEFN] Aithead Wrote: Comparing public execution for destruction of property to killing teammates in a video game is a very disingenuous comparison.
Being banned for MRDM is a very avoidable problem.
It's an exaggeration don't get me wrong, but when you set up an environment where a single miss click could get you banned for six weeks, you have to be able to see the analogy.
(20 Feb 22 at 7:24pm)[DEFN] Aithead Wrote: Comparing public execution for destruction of property to killing teammates in a video game is a very disingenuous comparison.
Being banned for MRDM is a very avoidable problem.
It's an exaggeration don't get me wrong, but when you set up an environment where a single miss click could get you banned for six weeks, you have to be able to see the analogy.
One moment, you spend most of your time on CvR, the next, instantly all removed because one time.
The problem that needs to be addressed is not that MRDM is a rule break, not that staff are doing their jobs, not that friendly fire is a thing, and not that the rules are the way they are. No, it is simply the severity of the punishment. The fact is I'm not asking for a slap on the wrist but I certainly don't think it's fair to base your punishment system on the American justice system(joke). I'm not arguing that rules are bad and don't need to be a thing. I'm arguing that THE rules towards appropriate punishment currently laid before us need to be changed.
Multiple time offenders? Give em 6 weeks or more to get em to knock it off, it's not funny or cool. But an accident or even a first time? Is 6 weeks really fair? That's 36 days, a full month! And for what? A misfire? A misunderstanding of what needed to be done? These could of been avoided, yes. But they weren't and so the hammer needed to come down. But must it come down so hard?
Look, all I'm saying is, in the best interest of the players, the staff, and CVR as a whole, just give the staff the ability to decide what the punishment is when it comes to these things or have a slightly less strict punishment system. I'm not defending any of these cases that have been presented before us, what's done is done. You don't just accidently fire your gun and expect to get away with it. If 6 weeks isn't the norm and instead is what one or two people chose, then forgive my ramblings.
If you look at the punishments for multiple cases of RDM with an RASR punishment for continuing to break the rules, it comes out to approximately the same 6 week ban.
It is not unfair to be punished for breaking the rules.
Ancient GRID CmD, prior SU Major/GB COL.
Credit to SEVIN.
If staff can't follow their own rules, how can CvR be a place for everyone?
No RDM. This includes spawnkilling, teamkilling (Including carelessly firing in a way that kills your teammates and kills made without good reason to believe that they are an SU, but excluding kills made in the context of tryouts/training), or (for example,) killing CWU/civilians/anarchists without a good reason, such as seeing them run into a no-entry zone or pull a weapon, or hearing them giving the enemy information.
Very top of the MOTD. Has been there for 3 and a half years.
I've been on this server since 2019. Why does this have to exist now? The massed bans for an accidental killing.
You are exactly correct. Just like how I publicly execute anyone breaks my Extremely fragile vases witch I place upon Extremely wobbly pilers in Extremely crowed hallways. Just because something is fair, doesn't mean it's right.
Being banned for MRDM is a very avoidable problem.
Ancient GRID CmD, prior SU Major/GB COL.
Credit to SEVIN.
It's an exaggeration don't get me wrong, but when you set up an environment where a single miss click could get you banned for six weeks, you have to be able to see the analogy.
One moment, you spend most of your time on CvR, the next, instantly all removed because one time.
Multiple time offenders? Give em 6 weeks or more to get em to knock it off, it's not funny or cool. But an accident or even a first time? Is 6 weeks really fair? That's 36 days, a full month! And for what? A misfire? A misunderstanding of what needed to be done? These could of been avoided, yes. But they weren't and so the hammer needed to come down. But must it come down so hard?
Look, all I'm saying is, in the best interest of the players, the staff, and CVR as a whole, just give the staff the ability to decide what the punishment is when it comes to these things or have a slightly less strict punishment system. I'm not defending any of these cases that have been presented before us, what's done is done. You don't just accidently fire your gun and expect to get away with it. If 6 weeks isn't the norm and instead is what one or two people chose, then forgive my ramblings.