Sorry this is a separate post. Formatting was FUCKED as a comment.
FULL RP Name(s): RES SILVERHAND O-2 CPT Sammy, LVET SILVERHAND V-6 CPL Sammy on behalf of EOW SLAYER OFC-1 Deadman, RES HVY SGT CJ
Discord Username: Minishogun721#9183 on behalf of SLAYER FREAK#6382
Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:23276217 on behalf of STEAM_0:1:25045552
Who warned/banned you?: Carried out by Hollow+Cheeto
Date of Warn/Ban: 08/29/2022
Ban Length: Permanent
Warn/Ban Reason: Hacking
Why should we remove warn/ban?: See below
Evidence/Other:
Hello,
I have agreed to help Deadman/SLAYER FREAK with his ban appeal. I will provide my two best reasons why I believe he is NOT a hacker: the clips themselves, and his determination to stay in the community.
Quoting Joe's first reason for this clip:"The player flicks to the recon's head in 2 frames and tracks them perfectly for a fraction of a second before resuming normal mouse movement without overshooting, decelerating, or otherwise displaying any behavior indicative of normal mouse movement."
This is understandably suspicious, but put it under the microscope.
Number 1: It is possible in multiple games to perform a flick in as little as 1 frame. Look at this video: in MW2019, he is able to do a 1 frame flick. This is also possible in Rainbow Six: Siege, and is also possible in Valorant. The idea of a 2 frame flick in CVR is somewhat strange, but is nowhere near impossible. Especially with more specialized equipment, such as gaming mice.
Number 2: Pay attention to the mouse movement. It isn't consistent with an aimbot, it makes more or less a hook movement. I don't have the video editing knowledge to display, it but pay attention to the clip. Keep replaying it over and over, on full screen, and hunched back looking at it and you will see it. This is best showcased in the enhanced clip.
Number 3: The gunfight itself. In my past experience with the M870, it does not have a very long effective range. You can see how Deadman does a form of double check, making sure he was actually dead. He had no way to know Cordell's health, and thus one shot kill potential even with the shotgun at that range.
Clip 2: The "bro think he carti" Flick [/url][url=https://streamable.com/76swvn]
This clip is far less convincing than the first.
Number 1: The window of opportunity to shoot. Aimbot wise, there was a SIGNIFICANT delay between spotting and shooting. Any cheat would've easily picked this up. If Deadman had shot the millisecond that "bro think he carti" came out, then I would agree that this is a damning clip. But he doesn't.
Number 2: Mouse movement. You can see very easily that the gun points towards the toes. He then adjusts towards the head, slightly correcting to the left. This is not behavior consistent with cheats.
Reason 2: Strange determination and desire to remain, along with hacker mentality
This is 100% more subjective, but I feel like it could assist in coming to the correct verdict.
Let's take the case of Raymond Moore. He plays strangely, either doing incredible or awful at times. His appeal fails (link), and he subsequently disappears. When one is caught hacking and it's more or less proven, 9/10 times they disappear. More than likely off to other servers or to ban evade, if possible.
However now, let's take two different and now infamous cases. Boo and Ghoul.
Ghoul is the most recent example. After 4 grueling ban appeals, he was finally unbanned. Overperforms regularly, gets banned, stays in the community holding out hope to get unbanned. This works.
I took it upon myself to dig deep into the forums to look at Boo's old ban appeals. Same situation as before: player overperforms regularly, gets banned, stays in the community despite it holding out hope to get unbanned. This works. This cycle repeats itself twice.
Notice the trend? The player accused of hacking overperforms regularly, gets banned, and stays holding out hope. The same mentality is becoming a common trend.
Again to reiterate: I believe that Deadman is NOT a hacker. The clips above aren't sufficient evidence, and he shares the same mentality as other players who have been exonerated of the same transgression.
Clip 1:
Number 1: Yes, it is possible to perform one frame flicks. However, it is not just the flick that makes the clip seem like aimbot. While it may be possible to hit a flick like that, it is nearly impossible to immediately stop and track someone perfectly. I don't believe I have actually ever seen something like this done before, but then again spectate clips tend to not show the truth. Gaming mice have almost nothing to do with this. If you are this good, hopefully you would have a mouse that has a high polling rate.
If you look at the clip slowed down 25%, it seems like there is a small flick, followed by a one frame snap onto the rebel's head/body area. This is then followed by 250 milliseconds of near perfect tracking. From my perspective at least, it looks like he tried to do a wide flick, toggled his aimbot in the middle of the flick, then snapped onto the rebel. Surprisingly, he still got the kill even though both the ranger and union were starting to aim at the rebel atleast a quarter of a second before him. After he shoots and kills the rebel, his aim goes to the left for some reason, even though he was moving to the right. He also does some weird movement a bit after where does a micro-adjustment up and down, and then looks at where the ragdoll dropped, which is not conclusive in itself but still odd enough to note.
Number 2: The movement is insanely consistent with an aimbot, which is why it is so incriminating of a clip. Aimbotters are literally known for a hook movement like this, where they would toggle after a miss or during what they predict will miss someone, and then lock onto the player to kill them.
Number 3: I vividly remember the M870 in TFA MW2019 having a ridiculous range. In the clip, deadman doesn't seem to double check, and seems to acknowledge that he killed the rebel. It looks like after the rebel dies, instead of doing a double check on if he got the kill, he is trying to get back to cover on the concrete wall by pressing D and looking to the right, happening to look at where the rebel was. The shotgun most definitely has one shot kill potential at that range, especially with two other people shooting the recon at the same time as him.
Clip 2:
I agree this is far less convincing, but it shows the inconsistency of aim between the two clips.
Number 1: It's agreeable that he has plenty of time to shoot, but he never shoots. He take five frames to spot/flick to the person, as opposed to the 2 that were in the original. He does a flick to the foot or lower area (can't really see) then adjusts towards the head. It takes him maybe 4 frames to adjust to the head, whereas in the 1st clip it takes 1 and is a smooth sweeping movement.
--
Reason 2 or something: Just because 2 cheaters behave a certain way and this person doesn't, doesn't mean that they are completely different from them. some cheaters like communities even if they have been banned. Ghoul's case should not be used as an example, because he had 5-10 videos of raw footage, while deadman has nothing.
I feel that the clips aren't fully conclusive on their own about whether or not deadman is cheating, but the scenario of someone who mainly plays casual tf2, casual css, and zombie survival servers being able to pull off the first clip just doesn't seem very realistic.
You offer some very good argument pieces but this is turning into the biggest reason for me:
It just doesnt seem right. Even if the clips are bad, no hacker sticks around this long. They either ban evade or go somewhere else. Even if the appeal was denied it could still be a talking point but Injust don't know.
It'd be nice to see if I can get my hands on an AI scanner for this kinda thing, apparently they can tell very easily
FULL RP Name(s): RES SILVERHAND O-2 CPT Sammy, LVET SILVERHAND V-6 CPL Sammy on behalf of EOW SLAYER OFC-1 Deadman, RES HVY SGT CJ
Discord Username: Minishogun721#9183 on behalf of SLAYER FREAK#6382
Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:23276217 on behalf of STEAM_0:1:25045552
Who warned/banned you?: Carried out by Hollow+Cheeto
Date of Warn/Ban: 08/29/2022
Ban Length: Permanent
Warn/Ban Reason: Hacking
Why should we remove warn/ban?: See below
Evidence/Other:
Hello,
I have agreed to help Deadman/SLAYER FREAK with his ban appeal. I will provide my two best reasons why I believe he is NOT a hacker: the clips themselves, and his determination to stay in the community.
Reason 1: The Clips
Clip 1: The Recon Flick (link)
Quoting Joe's first reason for this clip: "The player flicks to the recon's head in 2 frames and tracks them perfectly for a fraction of a second before resuming normal mouse movement without overshooting, decelerating, or otherwise displaying any behavior indicative of normal mouse movement."
This is understandably suspicious, but put it under the microscope.
Number 1: It is possible in multiple games to perform a flick in as little as 1 frame. Look at this video: in MW2019, he is able to do a 1 frame flick. This is also possible in Rainbow Six: Siege, and is also possible in Valorant. The idea of a 2 frame flick in CVR is somewhat strange, but is nowhere near impossible. Especially with more specialized equipment, such as gaming mice.
Number 2: Pay attention to the mouse movement. It isn't consistent with an aimbot, it makes more or less a hook movement. I don't have the video editing knowledge to display, it but pay attention to the clip. Keep replaying it over and over, on full screen, and hunched back looking at it and you will see it. This is best showcased in the enhanced clip.
Number 3: The gunfight itself. In my past experience with the M870, it does not have a very long effective range. You can see how Deadman does a form of double check, making sure he was actually dead. He had no way to know Cordell's health, and thus one shot kill potential even with the shotgun at that range.
Clip 2: The "bro think he carti" Flick [/url][url=https://streamable.com/76swvn]
This clip is far less convincing than the first.
Number 1: The window of opportunity to shoot. Aimbot wise, there was a SIGNIFICANT delay between spotting and shooting. Any cheat would've easily picked this up. If Deadman had shot the millisecond that "bro think he carti" came out, then I would agree that this is a damning clip. But he doesn't.
Number 2: Mouse movement. You can see very easily that the gun points towards the toes. He then adjusts towards the head, slightly correcting to the left. This is not behavior consistent with cheats.
Reason 2: Strange determination and desire to remain, along with hacker mentality
This is 100% more subjective, but I feel like it could assist in coming to the correct verdict.
Let's take the case of Raymond Moore. He plays strangely, either doing incredible or awful at times. His appeal fails (link), and he subsequently disappears. When one is caught hacking and it's more or less proven, 9/10 times they disappear. More than likely off to other servers or to ban evade, if possible.
However now, let's take two different and now infamous cases. Boo and Ghoul.
Ghoul is the most recent example. After 4 grueling ban appeals, he was finally unbanned. Overperforms regularly, gets banned, stays in the community holding out hope to get unbanned. This works.
I took it upon myself to dig deep into the forums to look at Boo's old ban appeals. Same situation as before: player overperforms regularly, gets banned, stays in the community despite it holding out hope to get unbanned. This works. This cycle repeats itself twice.
Notice the trend? The player accused of hacking overperforms regularly, gets banned, and stays holding out hope. The same mentality is becoming a common trend.
Again to reiterate: I believe that Deadman is NOT a hacker. The clips above aren't sufficient evidence, and he shares the same mentality as other players who have been exonerated of the same transgression.
I posted it as a comment and the admins are aware, hollow asked me to move it elsewhere
Number 1: Yes, it is possible to perform one frame flicks. However, it is not just the flick that makes the clip seem like aimbot. While it may be possible to hit a flick like that, it is nearly impossible to immediately stop and track someone perfectly. I don't believe I have actually ever seen something like this done before, but then again spectate clips tend to not show the truth. Gaming mice have almost nothing to do with this. If you are this good, hopefully you would have a mouse that has a high polling rate.
If you look at the clip slowed down 25%, it seems like there is a small flick, followed by a one frame snap onto the rebel's head/body area. This is then followed by 250 milliseconds of near perfect tracking. From my perspective at least, it looks like he tried to do a wide flick, toggled his aimbot in the middle of the flick, then snapped onto the rebel. Surprisingly, he still got the kill even though both the ranger and union were starting to aim at the rebel atleast a quarter of a second before him. After he shoots and kills the rebel, his aim goes to the left for some reason, even though he was moving to the right. He also does some weird movement a bit after where does a micro-adjustment up and down, and then looks at where the ragdoll dropped, which is not conclusive in itself but still odd enough to note.
Slowed down 0.25x:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1...2/asda.mp4
Number 2: The movement is insanely consistent with an aimbot, which is why it is so incriminating of a clip. Aimbotters are literally known for a hook movement like this, where they would toggle after a miss or during what they predict will miss someone, and then lock onto the player to kill them.
Number 3: I vividly remember the M870 in TFA MW2019 having a ridiculous range. In the clip, deadman doesn't seem to double check, and seems to acknowledge that he killed the rebel. It looks like after the rebel dies, instead of doing a double check on if he got the kill, he is trying to get back to cover on the concrete wall by pressing D and looking to the right, happening to look at where the rebel was. The shotgun most definitely has one shot kill potential at that range, especially with two other people shooting the recon at the same time as him.
Clip 2:
I agree this is far less convincing, but it shows the inconsistency of aim between the two clips.
Number 1: It's agreeable that he has plenty of time to shoot, but he never shoots. He take five frames to spot/flick to the person, as opposed to the 2 that were in the original. He does a flick to the foot or lower area (can't really see) then adjusts towards the head. It takes him maybe 4 frames to adjust to the head, whereas in the 1st clip it takes 1 and is a smooth sweeping movement.
Number 2: Explained above
https://streamable.com/76swvn
--
Reason 2 or something: Just because 2 cheaters behave a certain way and this person doesn't, doesn't mean that they are completely different from them. some cheaters like communities even if they have been banned. Ghoul's case should not be used as an example, because he had 5-10 videos of raw footage, while deadman has nothing.
I feel that the clips aren't fully conclusive on their own about whether or not deadman is cheating, but the scenario of someone who mainly plays casual tf2, casual css, and zombie survival servers being able to pull off the first clip just doesn't seem very realistic.
blablabla appeal denied anyway
It just doesnt seem right. Even if the clips are bad, no hacker sticks around this long. They either ban evade or go somewhere else. Even if the appeal was denied it could still be a talking point but Injust don't know.
It'd be nice to see if I can get my hands on an AI scanner for this kinda thing, apparently they can tell very easily