Why should we remove warn/ban?
i simply TKed a unit that was spawn-camping wish we were encouraged to do many times before its we either call staff / TK them / call their COs and since im a game-master im allowed to !slay or shell them but i did what i thought its right because if i shelled them i would of killed around 5 people for 1 guy doing something wrong and i think thats unfair , i didnt slay them because im all the way across the street and dont know who they are, i sniped him knowing im doing the right thing because i and other COs always allow it and game-master rules [b]encourage dealing with spawn-campers
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Evidence/Other: https://youtu.be/ZLb4fo_OOio
Already see this turning into a shitshow, very highly recommend this stays internal with discussions kept within staff circles. Also might wanna get person who got killed involved for their side
(30 Aug 22 at 9:21pm)Minishogun721 Wrote: Already see this turning into a shitshow, very highly recommend this stays internal with discussions kept within staff circles. Also might wanna get person who got killed involved for their side
if you had killed him with a headcrab canister yes this would of been an act of gamemaster killing a spawn camper like you said that was encouraged by aithead, however you killed him on a IGC there for is RDM. also for the gamemaster thing you should of went onto the staff WL to deal with spawncampers.
(30 Aug 22 at 9:27pm)oil rig Wrote: -1 sorry
enforcing a rule by breaking the rules is generally just not a good idea
Then why are we told its fine yo do that from the CO team of both sides
(30 Aug 22 at 9:27pm)Asquiish Wrote: if you had killed him with a headcrab canister yes this would of been an act of gamemaster killing a spawn camper like you said that was encouraged by aithead, however you killed him on a IGC there for is RDM. also for the gamemaster thing you should of went onto the staff WL to deal with spawncampers.
I already clear out why i sisnt do it
Killing half the server on low people is unfair and unfun
It doesnt change the fact that the spawn camper got nothing out of this and been let free
And again we were always told and been told that its ok to do it
i know where your coming from but you could of done this in a different manner instead of just straight up RDM. you could of went onto the staff WL and done @@ combine back up from rebel base borders. all spawn campers will be killed you have been warned. as for the union yes there should be some sort of warn issued because he is a 01 and he knows what he was doing. but the fact that you RDM'd him on a IGC doesnt justify your actions
-1
As much as I'd like to give a +1 for the removal, the killing of the spawn camper with your character would still be handled in the same manner if the offender was a User/V.I.P. Mainly, if it was handled on your Staff Whitelist, it would've had a high chance of being exempted. As a conclusion note, that Union should get a warn for spawncamping.
+1
Note that this +1 is not for a total removal of his ban, but rather a ban reduction.
This is namely because of one factor: Part of the 3x RDM is for something from 6 months ago (which was under exceptionally debateable circumstances considering the time period, the people, the ranks, etc.)
To list the 3 warns that got Ozz this 1 week ban they are from: 1 - April 30th 2022 2 - August 28th 2022 3 - August 30th 2022
All of these were RDM warns, and with how the punishment sheet works it scales in increments where warn 1 is nothing, warn 2 is a 2 day ban, warn 3 is 1 week and so on.
So my argument is that Ozz should be receiving the 2 warn 2 day ban, and that the 1st warn from April 30th (which clearly cannot correlate with the 2 warns 2 days apart on Aug 28th and Aug 30th) shouldn't factor in. The reason it does factor in is part of a staff policy which frankly I disagree with and will be making a follow-up suggestion on the forums soon about, as well as other staff related things that I've learnt today.
So again, he shouldn't be unbanned, he broke the rules. Yet a warn from 6 months ago should not make his punishment greater when the ban and follow-up warns are for actions taken after those 6 months - especially when considering how much CvR has changed and the different circumstances across those 6 months. Therefore reduce the ban to 2 days, rather than a week.
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(30 Aug 22 at 9:46pm)Kyle The Killer Wrote: -1
As much as I'd like to give a +1 for the removal, the killing of the spawn camper with your character would still be handled in the same manner if the offender was a User/V.I.P. Mainly, if it was handled on your Staff Whitelist, it would've had a high chance of being exempted. As a conclusion note, that Union should get a warn for spawncamping.
(30 Aug 22 at 9:43pm)Asquiish Wrote: i know where your coming from but you could of done this in a different manner instead of just straight up RDM. you could of went onto the staff WL and done @@ combine back up from rebel base borders. all spawn campers will be killed you have been warned. as for the union yes there should be some sort of warn issued because he is a 01 and he knows what he was doing. but the fact that you RDM'd him on a IGC doesnt justify your actions
https://imgur.com/a/k5XbaKD
if i cant trust my word or my fella COs words who can i trust
TKing a spawncamper was encouraged by the CO team
its either report them to staff / TK them and look if they do it again / report to their COs
Discord Username: OZZ#1515
Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:51262749
Who warned/banned you? Hollow
Date of Warn/Ban: 3AM GMT +3 8/31/2022
Ban Length: 7 days
Warn/Ban Reason: RDM x3 (3th RDM Warn)
Why should we remove warn/ban?
i simply TKed a unit that was spawn-camping wish we were encouraged to do many times before its we either call staff / TK them / call their COs and since im a game-master im allowed to !slay or shell them but i did what i thought its right because if i shelled them i would of killed around 5 people for 1 guy doing something wrong and i think thats unfair , i didnt slay them because im all the way across the street and dont know who they are, i sniped him knowing im doing the right thing because i and other COs always allow it and game-master rules [b]encourage dealing with spawn-campers
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Evidence/Other:
https://youtu.be/ZLb4fo_OOio
Well the vid is their point of view soo
enforcing a rule by breaking the rules is generally just not a good idea
I already clear out why i sisnt do it
Killing half the server on low people is unfair and unfun
It doesnt change the fact that the spawn camper got nothing out of this and been let free
And again we were always told and been told that its ok to do it
As much as I'd like to give a +1 for the removal, the killing of the spawn camper with your character would still be handled in the same manner if the offender was a User/V.I.P. Mainly, if it was handled on your Staff Whitelist, it would've had a high chance of being exempted. As a conclusion note, that Union should get a warn for spawncamping.
Note that this +1 is not for a total removal of his ban, but rather a ban reduction.
This is namely because of one factor: Part of the 3x RDM is for something from 6 months ago (which was under exceptionally debateable circumstances considering the time period, the people, the ranks, etc.)
To list the 3 warns that got Ozz this 1 week ban they are from: 1 - April 30th 2022 2 - August 28th 2022 3 - August 30th 2022
All of these were RDM warns, and with how the punishment sheet works it scales in increments where warn 1 is nothing, warn 2 is a 2 day ban, warn 3 is 1 week and so on.
So my argument is that Ozz should be receiving the 2 warn 2 day ban, and that the 1st warn from April 30th (which clearly cannot correlate with the 2 warns 2 days apart on Aug 28th and Aug 30th) shouldn't factor in. The reason it does factor in is part of a staff policy which frankly I disagree with and will be making a follow-up suggestion on the forums soon about, as well as other staff related things that I've learnt today.
So again, he shouldn't be unbanned, he broke the rules. Yet a warn from 6 months ago should not make his punishment greater when the ban and follow-up warns are for actions taken after those 6 months - especially when considering how much CvR has changed and the different circumstances across those 6 months. Therefore reduce the ban to 2 days, rather than a week.
https://imgur.com/a/k5XbaKD
if i cant trust my word or my fella COs words who can i trust
TKing a spawncamper was encouraged by the CO team
its either report them to staff / TK them and look if they do it again / report to their COs